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Podcast-In this episode we break down the old myth that you should go out during the winter every so often to start your motorcycle and let it idle for a bit to warm it up. Many think this will keep things lubricated and that it is good for the motor to do this. Heck, I used to do it because that's what my father always did with sitting cars.
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Many bikers can't ride during certain snow months and head out to the old garage, fire up their motorcycle, drink a beer, maybe have a cigar, and let their bike run for 15-20 minutes. They shut her down and head back into the house. Is this a good practice?
Now that I am more educated, I realize this is actually a bad thing to do to your motorcycle's engine or any engine for that matter. You're better off just letting your motorcycle sit unless you are actually going to ride it for a fair distance.
You see, idling your motorcycle in the cold not only wastes fuel, but it's also stripping oil from critical components that help your engine run, namely the cylinders and pistons.
Normally, your motorcycle engine runs on a mixture of air and vaporized fuel. When that mixture enters a cylinder, a piston compresses it, which generates a combustion event, powering the engine.
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When it's cold outside the gasoline is less likely to evaporate. Your motorcycle purposely runs “rich” and compensates for this initially by adding more gasoline to the air-vapor mixture. That's the problem, you're actually putting extra fuel into the combustion chamber to make it burn and some of it can get onto the cylinder walls.
Gasoline is a great solvent and it can actually wash oil off the walls if you run your motor in those cold idle conditions for an extended period of time. Over time, that can have a detrimental effect on the lubrication and life of things like piston rings and cylinder liners. This can have a serious effect on the overall operating life of your engine.
Myth busted; idling your motorcycle does not prolong the life of your engine; rather it shortens it.
Your motorcycle doesn't run rich the entire winter. It only happens when the gasoline is cold. Once your engine warms up to about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, the car transfers to normal fuel-consumption rates.
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You might think by idling your motorcycle, you're warming it up, which will prevent this problem. Idling doesn't really get the engine up to temperature, and until that happens the engine control module (ECM) on the engine is going to keep sending a rich-fuel mixture to the cylinders so that it can ensure that enough is evaporated for a consistent combustion event.
The best and only real way to get your motorcycle engine's temperature up is to actually go out and ride! If you can't ride because of ice and snow, then just don't start your bike at at all.
When you ride in those colder temperatures, letting your motor run for about thirty second to a minute is a good standard before you take off. Once you take off, don't just immediately open up the throttle and rip on it. Ride gently for a bit to give it time to warm up or you'll put unnecessary stress on your engine. It can take 5-15 minutes for your engine to warm up depending on the driving conditions.
Also, because your motorcycle is going to run a bit rich before the engine reaches 40 degrees Fahrenheit, you're going to get lower gas mileage than usual.
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Why the Myth?
The myth started in an age when all motorcycle engines relied on carburetors. Then came the standard application of fuel injection.
The main difference is that electronic fuel injection comes with a sensor that feeds the cylinders the right air-fuel mixture to generate a combustion event. Carburetor-run motorcycles lacked this important sensor. If your gasoline was too cold, your car wouldn't run rich, it would simply stall out. In those days, it was important to get the carburetor warm before driving.
Those days are gone……..
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Oscar writes:
Wanted to let you all know about my K&N filter problem so you can check yours out before the big Sturgis trips. Recently I found that my stage 1 K&N filter (aftermarket stage 1 kit 2013 Limited) looked like it had deformed. I reached my finger to the point where the intake met the filter and found an open air gap large enough to get my pinky into the intake chamber.
I checked with our local service manager and one of our dealership mechanics and found it happens but is very uncommon. I checked the KN and went with the Harley filter for now because no one had a replacement.
Check your filters, they should be tight against the intake shoulder. With mine I could literally pry it up off the intake without much force. We don't want to be riding through any large storms with a faulty filter.
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Patrick says
Was listening to the podcast and on the response to the earlier Amsoil episode where the dude says if Amsoil was so great HD dealerships would be selling it…well…mine started doing it about 6 months ago! Of course they price it a couple bucks higher than theirs, but it sits on the shelf (whenever they’re not out of stock) beside theirs. So-HA…HA…HA!
Matt Couchman says
HA… HA… HA…
Thanks for listening and thank for taking the time to comment.
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JAYDEN MCDONALD says
Hi thank you for the useful information. I’m just wondering If this also applys with normal temperatures. I’m in Australia and is usually average weather. Never snowing. So would it still be a bad idea to start my bike up and let it idle everyday?
Thank
Matt Couchman says
It’s more of an issue in cold weather because condensation builds up.
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Tessa says
My neighbor became very upset with me when I kindly asked if he could minimize the idling time because the exhaust was building up in my home.
He said in the morning it was necessary for five minutes. It was 8:00 am and 60 degrees outside. His bike is at least a 2005 Harley.
Thank you,
Ryan Urlacher says
LOL, maybe direct him to listen to this podcast episode.
Tessa says
Thank you and I’ve thought of that but it will create more friction probably. He’s a bit unreasonable. Hah. My luck.
Ryan Urlacher says
Totally understand.
Kevin says
I ride a Honda PCX 150, 2 years on a 2017, until stolen, and 1 winter on the 2019. I ride everyday in winter, regardless of temperature, unless slippery. I do recall riding it to work at 22 or 28 deg F. About 6 times, the 2017 wouldn’t start, but started when slightly warmer. The 2019 consistently started, then wouldn’t start. The problem was too many cold starts and was corrected with a full charge. I have a 5-year extended warranty, no mention of any minimum operating temperature in any of the literature. The unit sits outside. I have not seen any difference in performance. Since Honda makes snowblowers, I presume they use similar technology on their bikes. I am curious if a temperature sensor, prevents it from starting in the extreme cold.
The bike shop manager recommended a trickle charger. I’m not keen on feeding an extension cord out the window, or taking the battery out and putting back in after charging, every cold winter night and in the morning when dark outside.
The battery is in a slot at the front of the compartment under the seat … Is there a battery powered trickle charger? If so, it probably doesn’t provide enough power? What about a battery powered heating device, where I could direct the heat at the battery and use insulation material on the other 3 sides? Maybe something similar to a pizza baking stone, after heated, that I can slide under the battery? Any thoughts?